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Episode 42

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Rob Delaney

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You Made It Weird #42: Rob Delaney

Twitter monster Rob Delaney comes in to make it weird and talk origins, singing the national anthem, and babies. It’s a weird one, folks. I mean, for real. Stop reading this and PLEASE ENJOY, WEIRDOS!

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37 comments

  • I am love the show but am unable to download it as an mp3 to my phone. Otherwise, I have to get it on the computer and sync it to my phone. Subsequently, I have not been listening for a while. Can you fix this? You can do it on eatwolf. Just saying.

  • Sing the national anthem at Fenway–top 25? Not hit a homer over the Green Monster in the bottom of the ninth in game seven of the World Series? Took me a while to figure this one out. If Pete were to play in Fenway there would be at least 9 other players on the field to look at and umpires, etc. Were he to sing the national anthem ALL eyes would be on Petey.

  • Maybe something about Will Ferrell in a green suit firebombing a Chevy Suburban factory after hours? Or Verne Troyer in front of cosmetics lab doors with a bottle of superglue in one hand, and the realization that maybe he hadn’t thought through everything in the other?

    Ugh, I feel gross that I find it kinda funny too. And “ALF”? So they’re concerned about animals AND snarky puppet aliens from outer space?

  • Hey Josh.

    Haven’t read Kuhn, will check it out, thanks.

    “I’m just saying that, historically, it is totally accurate to say that secular, “scientific” folks have brought just as much evil, vitriol, and destruction to our world as religious people. And just as much good as well.”

    This is too big a debate to have. ‘Secular folks’ is too hard to pin down too, USA’s government is secular but I don’t think you can ignore that many of the participants are religious and even the public’s religion informs their views and willingness to go to war as well (beliefs about Israel, or end times etc).

    There was a survey that the most peaceful countries right now are the least religious. But this too is very hard to tease apart all the different factors and overlapping conditions.

    I was going to say some other snarky-ish stuff but scrapped it. I had this horrible joke about ELF but it was funny to me, “Call me when they learn how to text and drive and finally manage to kill someone.” I know that’s not OK and I’m sure they really are disgusting terrorists.

  • Hi Scott!

    Okay, let’s see…

    “science accepts changes over and over again when the evidence demands it, science is the search for the truth.” — Take a look at the philosopher of science, Thomas Kuhn’s, “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions”. Really interesting, and I think honest understanding of how science shifts paradigms.

    “…But yes both groups are the same. They’re equivalent, everything is equivalent.” — not my point. I’m just saying that, historically, it is totally accurate to say that secular, “scientific” folks have brought just as much evil, vitriol, and destruction to our world as religious people. And just as much good as well.

    “And environmentalists are the biggest terrorists we have right now? Cool story bro.” — Not the deadliest, but they are the most active. Obviously it would be stupid to say that ALF and ELF are bigger than Al Qaida — but in terms of amount of terrorist acts attempted & committed on US soil, they’ve got Al Qaida beat by thousands to a few. To my knowledge, neither ALF or ELF have killed anyone yet, but most in law enforcement who deal with them believe it’s just a matter of time. But that’s all besides the point. The point is, we left wingers often think there aren’t left wing extremists. And we’re wrong when we think that.

    Anyway, whatever. It’s funny looking over the track of this conversation thread. What a bunch of weirdos we are!

  • ” “Science vs. Religion” is… less concerned with truth itself, but rather which institution gets to be known as the “Source of Truth”. ”

    When people argue for what scientific investigation seems to suggest (e.g. the age of the planet, or evolution, or many others), they are doing this because they aren’t concerned about the truth itself? I seriously disagree.

    Science doesn’t say it has the truth, science accepts changes over and over again when the evidence demands it, science is the search for the truth.

    “What they mean is that some atheists seem just as close minded to possible truths outside their understanding as some religious Christians — that they believe they’re right, and everyone else is wrong.”

    Possible truths need some sort of evidence and support. Close-minded atheists have been given the overwhelming evidences for “possible truths” but they say, “NO, there are no “possible truths” anywhere, there are only asshole truths or autistic truths but no possible truths.”

    (“Possible truths”, not specified in any way, but screw you atheists for not believing in it (or she?)).

    Fundamentalist Christians on the other hand do listen to the evidence that Noah’s Ark literally happened because they’ve been given the evidence for it in the bible.

    But yes both groups are the same. They’re equivalent, everything is equivalent.

    And environmentalists are the biggest terrorists we have right now? Cool story bro.

    I just want to say I am not upset about anything the podcast said about atheists but can’t seem to get my tone in this comment to deviate from douchebag atheist. Oh well.

  • “And maybe not get so pissed off when the comedians don’t express their thoughts so good.”

    No offense, Pete. Or Rob. Or Dana. Or Kumail, or David, or Patrick, or Mike. Or Myq. Or Duncan, or TJ, or Demetri… oh man…

    I’m the worst, I’m the worst, I’m the worst YMIW fan in the world.

  • Two quick points on the atheism posts above.

    1. Regarding how seriously we take discussions about religion on a podcast starring comedians — I recommend not taking it THIS seriously. These are comedians, folks, not theologians. Let’s be passionate about these arguments, but lets not expect these guys to be able to express themselves as if they’ve thought about religion or studied it in any serious way.

    2. “Faith vs. Atheism” and “Science (Academia) vs. Religion” are two different things. “Faith vs. Atheism” is a more personal, philosophical, theological conflict about who and what is true and right. “Science vs. Religion” is a historical conflict, a political conflict, a conflict less concerned with truth itself, but rather which institution gets to be known as the “Source of Truth”.

    I think when someone on YMIW says that atheists are just as bad as right wing Christians, they’re talking about the personal conflict, not the historical one. What they mean is that some atheists seem just as close minded to possible truths outside their understanding as some religious Christians — that they believe they’re right, and everyone else is wrong.

    Although, if they WERE speaking on this historical level, saying that some atheists are just as bad as some right wing extremist Christians (in the way that offended some of us listeners), that would have totally been a historically accurate and reasonable thing to say, too. In the history of modern civilization there have been just as many secular extremists as religious extremists, just as many volumes of hate literature produced by academia as the church, just as many corrupt thinkers as politicians as priests, etc. No world view is exempt. They are all open to corruption and have all added their share of evil to this world.

    Take a look at terrorist activity in America. According to the ADL, most American hate groups are secular, and the most active terrorist groups are actually left wing environmental and animal rights extremists (ALF and ELF)! So, you know, goes to show ya’.

    Okay, so maybe these weren’t quick points. Point is, this is complicated shit. So let’s just enjoy the podcast. And maybe not get so pissed off when the comedians don’t express their thoughts so good. (c:

  • Great episode! I really related to Rob’s take on birth and family. And listening to the entire conversation gave me a better perspective on where Rob’s coming from with his tweets. Thanks, Pete! I’d wear a fucking You Made it Weird shirt. Shit.

  • @QuasarSniffer:

    It’s not anything they said specifically this episode, but rather an emerging trend that I finally decided to complain about. Despite claiming to be between the two sides of theism and atheism, Pete constantly refers to people who have a fuzzy, half-baked opinion about God and the nature of reality as being “open-minded,” while the atheism side of the argument is represented by Pete saying that everything is meaningless. This is a slur that has been used against atheists throughout history to justify the fear that we are terrible, immoral people.

    So no, I am not at all offended by “the mere discussion of religion”. In fact, I’m genuinely interested in different people’s views on the subject. That being said, the discussion is more-often-than-not led (sometimes by Pete, sometimes by the guest) in the direction of unspecific theism being somehow better than “closed-minded” atheism.

  • “They had as much disparaging things to say about organized religion as they had to say about atheists who might, for example, respond to the mere discussion of religion with a rambling, out-of-nowhere missive on a message board.”

    Yes exactly, perhaps there shouldn’t be an equal amount of disparaging things to say about 1) someone who writes impotent and non-threatening comments on a message board as 2) hugely powerful organizations that have committed (long list of horrors here) but to name a couple let’s go for the obvious: covering up and facilitating sexual abuse of children, devoting money to fight gay rights, women’s rights, and get increased protections from the state.

    I.e. not equivalent, maybe shouldn’t be equivalently disparaged. Doesn’t mean there are no douchebag atheists, of course there are.

  • Good comment Jim. For quite a few episodes the guests have been making the same false equivalency between religion and atheism that seems to be quite popular to make.

    I think it was in this episode* that the guest said why do atheists have to talk about it? (Or something to that effect?). It’s not like the domination of religion in society and culture has any implications (other than for gay people, women, medicine, science, politics, war, etc.)

    Atheists might talk about it because they feel religious control or influence in certain aspects of society needs to be challenged.

    *I apologize if it wasn’t this guest and this episode.

  • What a surprise, more atheist bashing. Wow, you’ve really managed to show how smart you are by being “above the conflict” and saying atheists are just as bad as fundamentalist Christians (see: XKCD #774). Except for the whole any-gay thing. And the whole anti-women thing. And the whole anti-evolution, anti-climate change, anti-critical thinking thing.

    But yeah, other than that “militant atheists” are just as bad as militant Christians. Except that atheists are called “militant” because they may start an argument or write a controversial book, while militant Christians bomb abortion clinics, encourage the murder of gay people in Africa, and teach children to hate and fear their bodies lest they burn in Hell forever.

    And now let’s take a quick look at the way the two groups are treated:

    1. Christians are applauded for their faith (ie, accepting claims with no evidence whatsoever) while atheists are attacked for their insistence on evidence (ie, the scientific method). Please, Pete, just give a single example and I’ll stop my complaining: think of a question upon which we once had a scientific answer, however inadequate, but for which now the best answer is a religious one.

    2. There have been no openly atheist presidents, and the only openly atheist Congressman came out after he had been elected; it would be impossible for an openly atheistic (or any non-Christian) candidate to be a serious contender for the presidency. Additionally, it is still technically illegal in several states for atheists to hold any political office.

    3. Among homeless children, a highly disproportionate percentage are LGBT or atheists abandoned by their Christian families.

    4. Atheists are the single most distrusted and disliked group in America, with poll number similar to those of convicted rapists. Despite anti-discrimination laws, atheists are routinely fired or ostracized at their place of work when their beliefs become known. All of this, despite the fact that atheists are vastly under-represented in the prison system and Christians are vastly over-represented.

    5. Atheists who challenge religious privilege which violate the First Amendment are ostracized, harassed, and routinely receive death threats from Christians. The most recent charming example of this was the case of teenager Jessica Ahlquist who had the audacity to ask her public school to remove a Christian prayer banner. During and after the court case (since the school, of course, refused to remove it), she had to have a police escort because of the volume of threats.

    Finally, just because you want something to be true doesn’t make it true. Everything we know about neuroscience suggests that personality is incredibly malleable, and that there is almost certainly no “true self” or “soul” that could possibly live on after your death.

    • I don’t really know what Rob and Pete said that you took as “bashing,” but it certainly wasn’t the kind of thing that would make an LGBT teen become abandoned by his or her family. They had as much disparaging things to say about organized religion as they had to say about atheists who might, for example, respond to the mere discussion of religion with a rambling, out-of-nowhere missive on a message board. [/PassiveAggressivePost]

  • Great show! The mushroom guru you were thinking of is Terence Mckenna- kind of a Timothy Leary for the 90s…Definitely worht checking out if you have any interest in entheogens.

  • Pete,
    I love your stuff. I really liked the part about limitations. As a Christian and as person who works at a church, I don’t feel restricted from being myself and verbally addressing doubts in my life. I have noticed that people who are non-believers often times have a very hard time talking about their experiences while dealing with the unknown. I can’t remember what smart person said this but… “To define is to limit”. We are all worried about limitations.
    Keep it Crispy.
    Eric

  • I find it legitimately intriguing every time Pete and the guest talk about religion. Because of that, and the fact that other people seem to not like it I guess, Mr. Holmes should do an entire episode dedicated to the discussion of religion. Since it would annoy listeners it would also “Make It Weird,” so it’d be perfect! Keep it crispy, good sir.

  • Pete’s comment about tech comments was adorable.

    In this episode you guys talked about comics being able to say what they want, I think it goes back to what Matt Besser said about the TJ Miller vs Dane cook thing, a comic has the right to say what they want like Cook did and people have the right to say what they want about it (like TJ did).

    My fave comment I saw about Burr’s rant was:

    “As everyone knows, the point of comedy is to fulfill some imaginary macho fantasy about Doing It The Right Way, not to actually be funny.” – Mark N.

    I find Burr’s personality annoying (or what I’ve seen and heard of him) but I find Pete’s worship of him sweet.

  • Hey guys, I heard this was a great forum for tech questions… My MacBook makes a tiny coughing sound every time I turn it on and off. Do you think maybe it got VD from “viatnameseporn.com”?

    We’re the worst, we’re the worst, we’re the worst fan base in the world.

  • haaaa! i was like “eight comments! wow! people are really into this epi — oh, it’s mostly tech stuff.” haa, either way, thanks for listening, weirdos!! and for helping each other keep it weird. very crispy.

  • This podcast led to inappropriate doodles. I enjoyed it a lot; so rapid fire and excellent. Good podcast.

    RE: White hats- we had some white and baby blue hats and jerseys. It was kinda just a thing- and those dudes generally weren’t the ones having sex. Eventually frosted tips and a lot of bleached hair coexisted and then took the place of manly pastels… At some point trucker hats were a thing.

  • Hey, dudes. To hop in on the streaming conversation… I used to download podcasts from iTunes, but quite frankly I’m a little lazy with it. I downloaded a new app called Podbay Pro that I’ve been really happy with, and you can stream any podcast on your iPhone that way. I recommend it. That way you don’t have to worry about downloading/deleting things from your phone or iTunes accounts. Just a suggestion. You can get the pro version here: http://bit.ly/HE1oBN, or the free (ad-supported) version here: http://bit.ly/HRDahH. I know that sounded like a sales pitch, but that’s just how I talk. Haha.

    And, on another note, I can’t wait to listen to this episode! Rob’s one of my favorite people to follow on Twitter. Keep it crispy, folks!

  • David, dude-bro, bro-hymn, brodemeister.

    If you’re trying to stream the podcast directly off the site on your phone (ie: through safari, directly off nerdist.com) then it won’t work. iPhone doesn’t support flash, which is what they use to stream. The only way to play it is by downloading it on itunes. It’s free and you can even sign up for an itunes account without a credit card if that’s an issue.

    Hope that helps you get your weird on.

  • Good Day,

    Let me first say that I’m a big fan of Nerdist, and just recently purchased my first IOS device. It appears Apple is not a big fan. I cannot get the podcast to play on iPhone 4.

    If it’s just my poor 3G internet connection, (Powered by Sprint, the carrier you use when you’re on someone’s ‘friends & family’ plan, which means unlimited everything for $30 per month.), you can stop reading. If it is an Adobe problem, you can stop reading. Otherwise, is there any way you know of to get your podcast? It just occurred to me to check iTunes, but I never write emails as a consumer, and I wanted to thank you for doling out the funny/nerdy stuff at any rate.

    The speedtest.net app has proven (anecdotally, but after testing all major carriers in different areas of a 30 mile radius) to me that AT&T provides, by far, the best iPhone experience. I dislike AT&T and have for many years, but when my contract is up I’m going to switch to them, which is gut wrenching to even contemplate. Question: Do they have a ‘special relationship’ with apple, and is it like the CIA has purported to have with MI6? Friends/Competitors, but on the same side? Or is it just a patent situation?

    Does anyone actually read these?
    Best,
    David Kimbro
    davkimbro@gmail.com
    @davidkimbro -twitter