Episode 201

You Made It Weird

"Science Mike" McHargue

You Made It Weird #201: ‘Science Mike’ McHargue

“Science Mike” McHargue (incredibly interesting, insightful blogger, deacon and friend of Rob Bell’s) makes it weird!

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  • @ 55:04 The usual trio of options is omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and OMNISCIENT (all-knowing) — you have to give up one of the three in order for the existence of evil to make sense. So it’s possible that God IS omnibenevolent and omnipotent, but just doesn’t realize that evil exists at all, or at least how prevalent or bad it is.

  • Long time-listener, first time commenter…

    Thank you so much for this interview, man. As someone who always considered themselves a weird, currently uncategorized type of Christian, this interview made me feel like I had a home, like there are people out there like me. Mike is a much, much smarter man than I am, but hearing him share his story and the process of his faith and that it’s okay to ask the big, serious questions, even to the point of totally reframing the context of your personal faith, was really powerful. The Rob Bell podcast was great, but this was spectacular. Pete, I hope you realize what you’re giving people when you release these conversations. Keep it up man. Between this and the hilariousness of the Moshe Kasher episode, You’re really giving people something special every Wednesday.

  • As an atheist I loved this episode. I have no issue with other people being religious (and actually love the idea and stories behind many religions)
    Mike is the type of religious person I would never have any issue with. He doesn’t argue against reasonable information, doesn’t minimize other peoples beliefs,
    His justification for his belief is personal and he has bothered to learn enough to understand that others may not have the same experiences.
    For a time i wanted to be sort of like him, but I just never had the personal moments he has, have never really felt a god so I’ve only ever had the science side.
    Instead of talking to jesus or god when i was young and frustrated with the world around me i would talk to an imaginary friend in my head, So i had a similar mechanism but since i never had it in a divine context it didn’t inform my world view that way.

    Anyway, wonderful episode.

  • “The test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function.” – F. Scott Fitzgerald

  • Arghhhhh. Enjoyable, but frustrating episode. Two people wanting to believe something figuring out ways to believe in it.

    Mike, you’re a smart guy, but recognize that the “experiment” of your life is biased. Of course Jesus would talk to you when you were at a crossroads. You were talking to him during tough times for the majority of your life.

    If a guy had never heard of Jesus and then Jesus showed up saying, “what’s up, I’m Jesus, I’m your new best friend,” it would be some sort of “miracle.” Recalling information with which you were already familiar is simply your interpretation of a memory. It’s like hearing a dead relative’s voice when in a context that evokes memories of that person. I’m only going to be amazed when someone ELSE’s relative pops into your head and tells you something you didn’t already know.

  • I’m so sorry that this is the caliper of science that the audience is presented with: one that has framed knowledge of the brain in the context of religious belief. I want the audience, and you too Pete, to know that as a Neuroscientist, I know the conclusions that Mike is making are not those that any peer reviewed published neuroscientists would make on their fMRI results. For example, the idea that the thalamus is where our sense of self resides is NOT one upheld or purposed in Neuroscience. It’s more like a relay center that filters auditory information to auditory centers, touch information to somatosensory centers and so on. This world is so werid, you could get some actual Neuroscientist on the podcast to werid it up with reality. Keep making it weird, Pete!!!