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The Indoor Kids #77: Another Year Over with The Indoor Kids (and Gil of The Mutant Season)

It’s the end of another year of all the forms of art and entertainment you can cram into your eyes and ears. Kumail and Emily go through their top picks for movies, games, and more, and are then joined by Gil, 10 year old boy genius, son of the owners of Meltdown Comics, and host of The Mutant Season. Gil talks about Christmas, his favorite games and movies, and more!

Games mentioned in this episode:

Super Mario Bros Wii-U

SoundShapes

Super Stardust Delta

Hidden in Plain Sight

Max Payne 3

Fez

Darksiders 2

X-COM

Rayman Origins

Mass Effect 3

Assassin’s Creed 3

Journey

NBA 2K13

Lego Batman 2

Lego Lord of the Rings

Borderlands 2

The Walking Dead game

Binding of Isaac

Spec Ops: The Line

Sleeping Dogs

FarCry 3

Hitman: Absolution

The Witcher 2

Dishonored

Halo 4

Minecraft

 

Movies mentioned in this episode:

Django Unchained

John Dies at the End

Avengers

7 Psychopaths

Moonrise Kingdom

The Raid: Redemption

Cabin In The Woods

Sleepwalk With Me

The Master

Lincoln

Indie Game: The Movie

Hunger Games

Wreck It Ralph

Magic Mike

Wanderlust

The Hobbit

Real Steel

Notes:

We’re aware that Real Steel is out on DVD and did not come out in 2012; please don’t tweet at Gil to correct him.

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27 comments

  • If you enjoyed John Dies… read David Wong’s books. They’re a great combination of things you liked from Douglas Adams and things you liked from Clive Barker.

  • RG, didn’t man to hurt your feelings. In future, perhaps you should consider my opinions to be my legitimate opinions rather than symptoms of some perceived ill in society. Makes me feel more like a person that way.

    Let’s make up.

    Kumail

  • Damn… yunno, I can’t get this interaction out of my head.

    This is where the internet fails sometimes; I think if you’d seen the hundred glowingly-positive comments I’ve made about your podcast in the past and associated them with me, this disagreement (or minor accusation, at worst) wouldn’t have been taken as hard. You used the words “offensive” and “misguided…” Well, I could say the same. :/

    I can love the show and your comedy and you guys’ personalities and STILL think you’re nitpicky and hypercritical, but I would have to say a hundred positive things, all in the same post, not to seem like a douche.

    So don’t take it personally… I’m genuinely bothered by the culture of criticism we live in. You said “I like to think about my entertainment, and not blindly accept whatever is put in front of me…”

    I mean, yikes… that is more offensive than anything I said to you.

    /hurtfeelings.

  • Bah, I’m sorry. I’ve just had this conversation with some… yunno… “less-smart” people, and I’m still just angry about lots of the prevailing ideas (the usual one is “but they added stuff!” when, really, they used canonical stuff from other source material, and thankfully you didn’t bring that one up).

    The comedian comment was something I’ve experienced myself, and like I said, that’s why I quit… and it wasn’t an insult, man. It’s just something about the mode you have to be in, about the hyperscrutiny with which you have to look at the world. And I’m a writer as well; I just finished a novel. I’m not saying you’re shitty at something because you liked the Hobbit; I’m just challenging a common viewpoint regarding consumption. Am I a shitty writer because I like something that is, apparently, objectively BAD (despite the fact that I’ve seen it five times)? Well… maybe I am. Fuck. You know, I was kidding, but now I won’t be able to get that one out of my head.

    I just hate hearing criticism at every turn. It makes me like the things I like less, and I need these things, mentally and emotionally. Maybe it’s just the worldbuilding that I like, and the escapist value, and I guess I wasn’t expecting a great story from the Hobbit, because, heh… the Hobbit’s not a great story, from a writing perspective. It’s just a string of moments.

    But jeez, at least I’m militantly-positive, instead of the internet’s usual militantly-negative position… and I didn’t say there was a flaw in your personality. It’s a point-of-view thing. I’m a fan, and we’ve met… and this was weird. Sorry, I guess.

  • RG, I appreciate your passion, but you implying that my not liking The Hobbit means there is something wrong with me, is frankly a bit offensive. Or to reduce me to being a comic so I’m more cynical, is very very reductive. I love movies; I become passionate about them. But I am also a writer, and I understand that The Hobbit was bad storytelling. Period. There is a certain way stories work so that they aren’t boring. The Hobbit was, frankly, boring. And this is from a guy who has the Extended LOTR movies 10 times each. It’s not an attention span thing. The movie has poorly paced elements in it. And to say that more is better is ludicrous. I like to think about my entertainment, and not blindly accept whatever is put in front of me.

    I feel highly passionate about LOTR. And I am bummed that The Hobbit disappointed. In time, it will disappoint you too, when you find it’s not as rewatchable as the other movies. There was nothing cynical about my criticism. It came from a place of extreme love of LOTR. I hope the next two movies are good. But to say that my dislike of the movie means there is a flaw in my personality, or in society as a whole, is extremely arrogant & misguided.

    Kumail

  • Don’t go by the reviews. ZombiU is a fantastic game. Especially hearing the way you complain that there are no survival horror games anymore. It’s difficult, intensely scary, and just a ton of fun. It also uses the gamepad brilliantly.

  • I think the controller Gil described is the PDP Afterglow…which I hear decent things about. Plus, it’s an affordable *wired* controller, which high-level players look for.

    nerrrrrrrrrrrrd

  • I sounded very aggressive earlier, and didn’t mean to, but I was in a bit of a hurry… so I guess I said exactly what I was thinking, instead of tempering it, heh.

    Anyway, this stuff usually invokes a kinda passive-aggressive comment on the following podcast about how “our listeners are always on us about this stuff,” but understand that I’ve said the same thing face-to-face with people I’ve talked to who had the same opinion, and will continue to. Sometimes feels kinda shitty to have that called out all the time, and *maybe* seems like taking the supportive-if-occasionally-disagreeable audience for granted.

    But moving on… An apt thought came to mind when my wife turned on Portal 2 earlier, and I started playing the new Skyrim DLC (which is great, BTW). In this comparison, The Hobbit is like Skyrim, and Django Unchained is like Portal 2: OF COURSE the latter are going to be good; the precedent is set for them, and you know their bounds going in. It allows them to do lots of fun stuff, but their potential for a giving you a sense of fulfillment is far less. The Hobbit, like Skyrim, is a messy affair, with so many expectations to live up to, and so much deep minutia to work in. The Hobbit, like Skyrim, was always going to be full of “flaws” (or, what would be flaws in other films)… but I think it’s a situation where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, and the flaws are like the scorches left by breaking the atmosphere in pursuit of something great.

    Our culture is so geared toward looking for those flaws, though, and sometimes they block out the bigger picture… especially for comedians (and I know that firsthand… it’s why I stopped being one after a year or so). I know you guys have talked about other comics being way too nitpicky, but it could be a little contagious. I dunno. That’s a whole different discussion.

  • The dark knight rises was a fine movie if you went into it expecting the greatest movie you’d be disappointed and any other movie as well. I enjoyed the dark knight rises it closed the trilogy and managed to not be an abomination of film. Moonrise Kingdom and Django Unchained are my picks for best picks though Tarintino will be screwed over by the academy again and not win best director because let’s face it only he could make Django Unchained, a near perfect movie imo.

  • @ablestmage: None of it was covered in the Silmarillion… are you thinking of the LotR Appendices? Azog is the orc responsible for killing Thrain, but PJ inserted him into the narrative here so that the orcs coming down the mountain for the Battle of Five Armies would make more sense. As it is, in the story, it’s just, “Oh, there’s orcs attacking, because they’re evil!” but with the PJ version, it’s actually Azog himself trying to finish what he started. Also, he’s just trying to make this trilogy coincide with the LotR trilogy. It’s his to do that with, as an auteur. Anyway, a lot of the lore to the background workings of the Hobbit was retconned in by Tolkien when he saw that the world was more fertile for rich mythology than the Hobbit initially took advantage of, so I think it makes perfect sense, with him having done LotR first and needing to match its tone… better than the other way around, anyway.

    And sorry Kumail, I’m a loyal listener, but I’ve had it with this cynical thing of saying, “Well, there were about 47 minutes I could have done without…”

    Because, it’s an escapist fantasy world. You LIKE that world, right? So why the hell you gotta complain about having to see MORE of it?! I hate to say it, but the story’s not that tight to begin with, so… yunno… bring on the fluff, if only to show more locations. It’s Middle-Earth, represented in beautiful, detailed miniature/digital effects. It’s not meant to be a sleek story with a tight plot; some so-called flaws are actually part of the experience, adding to the expansiveness of it. I mean, what if it were, say, a BBC miniseries? Nobody would be complaining about the length then, yet they’d still probably watch it all in one sitting. That dichotomy is just weird to me.

    Personally, I want to see as much of the world as possible, so I just had to contribute my criticism of your criticism to the mass mind. Maybe you don’t have a short attention span… maybe I just have an extra long one… that’s not for me to say. But either way, I don’t want the complaints of people who like short, tight stories ruining my enjoyment of Tolkien worldbuilding. I mean, a 120-minute Tolkien film? I would be DEVASTATED.

  • @JustinHoskie: It may interest you to know that the most recent DVD and Blu-Ray release of Little Shop of Horrors has the fully-mastered original ending intact. I don’t know whether it contans the “Meek Shall Inherit” segment, though.

  • Hey guys, I usually wouldn’t use this site for spam (They talk about their favorite movies of the year on this episode and this has to do with my favorite film of all time?), but the other day, I found something. Something big. Pretty big. As in “Holy hell this still exists?!” big.

    Without going into to much detail, I was e-mail two links the other day. Those links contained my Holy Grail: deleted scenes to Little Shop of Horrors that I thought was lost forever. I restored one of those scenes here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvnjrMKIL-c

    I give the links in the video description. You don’t have to watch my video, but click through to find the links so you can see Rick Moranis feed the disembodied head of Steve Martin to a giant puppet.

    I apologize for this brief spam.

    Also, to get back to the topic at hand, great epi! :)

  • Looking forward to listening to this. But no love for Life of Pi or This Is 40? I’m not complaining, because I know you can only talk about so many movies, but I would love hearing your opinions on them, perhaps in a future podcast.

  • I didn’t like The Hobbit because it wasn’t near silly enough — the book is very very silly, and they didn’t make it a children’s movie enough to reflect the childrens’ demographic of the book. The elves in the book, for instance, dance around laughing and sing silly songs — they don’t walk around silently pondering their existence and shoot arrows at orcs..The dishwashing song I was really looking forward to, but they didn’t do it much to my liking because it was too unintelligible and the CG was horrendous. They also inserted WAY too much other nonsense into the movie (the pale orc chasing them never happened, not even in the Silmarillion) and tons of other blatant insertions that had no business whatsoever being there. I’ve got a huge review on my blog (click my name) that lists in detail a lengthy list of wide-sweeping disparities between the film and the book. I am tempted to just find a DVDrip of the film once it comes out, and just edit together my own version, and just annotate/etc parts that shouldn’t be there or stuff they did backwards..

  • I think one film that was really great this year was the film “Perks of being a Wallflower”. It’s one of the few high school films that shows a very honest perspective of the high school experience that I haven’t seen in a long time. I also really loved the film “ParaNorman.” The art style and the stop motion animation was simply gorgeous. Although there are some minor issues the plot such as no story arcs for some of the secondary characters, the main story arc was very well done and not typical seen in many animated films today.
    This year I haven’t really been able to play many video games because my life has been constantly busy with pretty much no breaks(DARN YOU LIFE!!!) but one video game I’m interested to play that comes out January 2013 is a game called “Ni No Kuni.” It is a jrpg that looks like it is going to be a really engaging experience. The art style and traditional 2D animation is being done by Studio Ghibli(who produced such films as “Spirited Away”, “Ponyo”, “Princess Monoke” and “My Neighbor Totoro”). The environments look so beautiful and the battling system looks very similar to that battling system done in Final Fantasy 12 which allowed you to move characters during battles which I think will work very well. Excited to test the game out when it comes out on PS3.