Episode 324

Nerdist Podcast

Neil Patrick Harris, Derek…

Nerdist Podcast: Neil Patrick Harris, Derek DelGaudio and Helder Guimarães

Neil Patrick Harris and magicians Derek DelGaudio and Helder Guimarães talk about the skill of close up magic, the importance of magic theater layouts, and the amazing dance number in Neil’s Puppet Dreams!

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  • Chris: for what it’s worth, I loved when you used the sfx during the last hostful. I thought it was hilarious. Fuck all the haters. It was also one of the truly infrequent times when you were willfully belligerent and slightly gleeful about it. Hysterical.

  • Not sure if anyone else is having this issue, but the file stops playing/downloading at 53:39. I tried downloading it and streaming it (haven’t tried iTunes…) and it stops at the same point.

  • As a suggestion to Neil, Derek and Helder, I know it’s not New York City, but Chicago has a lot of really nice 100 seatish theaters.
    I used to work at Chicago Shakespeare Theater and their upstairs studio theater is pretty intimate and is versatile in it’s set-up possibilities.
    Don’t know if this is something you are interested in, but in case you are I thought I’d throw it out there.

  • I’m with Kevin on this one, i very much so enjoyed the sfx. (unlike other pod’s) It only happens every so often but is always taken in the humor it is meant. I say if it makes you happy DO IT!

  • On the subject of taping live acts, I’m not really so sure what the big deal is. I guess I can understand from @Chris’s perspective that maybe some material isn’t fully realized, but at the same time, I don’t understand why the person is an asshole as one of the guests put it. Are they assholes because they can steal the material or use it for profit? Because my immediate impression of people recording is that they’re seeing this as a once in a lifetime opportunity to see Chris Hardwick live or a magic show as digital proof that they’ve been there as they would be visiting another part of the world that people rarely get to see. I mean, that’s like the Grand Canyon saying, “Gee, folks, I’m not postcard perfect today because I’ve been rained on for three days so don’t take any pictures of me, please.” I’m assuming the performer has more of a broad sense of an audience and isn’t really feeling the exact “emotional contract” as say the individual who wants to immortalize this once-in-a-lifetime moment. And it seems it might be beneficial on both parties because for a person with short term memory problems the performer would be funny as if it was the first time viewing. I mean, hell, I wish I could see all my favorite movies and TV shows for the first time every time.

    Or is there something I’m missing that’s not been fully addressed? I don’t go to live shows of anything so I can’t really relate. But I’m assuming from a fan’s perspective they just want to preserve the memory. Other than stealing material, I just don’t get why people are generalized as assholes.

  • @Phil: Did I call them assholes? I’m not sure if I did. Still, it’s a HUGE problem in comedy right now. Of course there can be those who just want to preserve it for themselves, but a lot of people post stuff on youtube because they think everything always should be posted. To a comic, that’s bad news. If you’re working out a bit that isn’t done and therefore doesn’t have the beats in there that will make it work yet, then the impression people have of you online is that you suck. Since so many people get their entertainment online, this can have a substantial effect on whether or not people come out to see you.
    Unfortunately the only way to work out bits is to do them on stage, so there’s really no way around this for most of us.

    Then there’s the issue of taking away the comic’s right to premiere the material and profit from all the work that’s gone into it. Great example: Garfunkel & Oates wrote a new song which they played for the first time at a festival. Someone recorded it and put it on their own youtube channel, where it made the front page of reddit. It now has 1.7 million views. On the one hand, great! Exposure! On the other hand, shitty! That guy stole the views, subscribers and revenue that they would have gotten had they been able to debut it on their own channel. They did the work, they should get to control how it’s released to the world. I’m sure that guy didn’t think of it as stealing but it’s basically the same thing as taking video of a movie with your phone and then posting it and then profiting from that.

    So, while you may not get it, you have to trust me that right now it is kind of the bane of every comic’s existence. We’re not just bitching or attacking like babies. It really is a problem that affects our work and our ability to profit from that hard work. There are bits of mine on youtube that I hate, that I tried at one show and would have cut, that are now online forever as a representation of my stand-up. It makes us slightly less comfortable taking risks, which is not where you need to be as a comic.

    Hope this helps!

  • @Chris, I didn’t say you said the recorders were assholes. But someone [forgive me, I only recognized NPH’s voice] said something to the effect that they made it their own choice to record the show instead of telling them what an asshole they were. So, it left me with the impression that people recording are assholes.

    Like I said, I guess I can understand if you’re material is not fully realized that you want it limited, I guess I just failed to visualize what the magnitude of what a problem it is. I just immediately assumed they love you and they want to preserve it. I didn’t mean to rumble. Was just asking. And thanks for doing so without nostril-raping me.

  • @Phil: no worries! I don’t expect folks who aren’t comics to know all of the subtle ins and outs of our business! it’s totally fine to have a conversation about it. it’s excellent, in fact, so that people understand what’s at stake. Thanks!

  • It’s definitely not just a conversation being had in comedy. Bands are also vocal about not being recorded while performing. For example, the lead singer of Muse has said that he is less likely to try new songs out or try something special because it will wind up on the internet within hours.

    I understand the viewpoint of the performer: you’re trying something and the only feedback you need is from the people in the room, not a guy on his iPhone who doesn’t have all of the necessary context.

    But, from a fan point of view, it still bums me out. I’m such a huge fan of bootlegs. I love the failures just as much as the successes. Some of my favorite videos are when a band just goes insane or the tech breaks down or the song isn’t complete.

    And yeah, I know most people aren’t fans like that. Most people see a fuck-up and immediately judge the performer as a failure. I just kinda see that stuff as, like, DVD extras. I feel like I can truly appreciate and respect an artist when I see and understand the evolution of their work.

    However, I respect that the artist doesn’t necessarily see it that way. It is your material and if you don’t want it out there, well, it would be nice if people respected that.

    On that note, how scared are comics of Google Glass? That shit will be live streamed.

  • @Jake: Yes, Google Glass will end us all!

    Excellent points. I’ll bet that does suck for bands. Though I will say that people will listen to the same song over and over again, so a bootleg of a specific performance can be really special for fans. Unfortunately, a comic’s joke is usually like a magic trick. Once you see it, you’re less likely to listen to or watch it over and over again because you “get it”. (Though that never stopped me from listening to comedy albums over and over. Most people won’t, though.) Music just has a much better shelf life.

    Prepare for live stream bootlegs.

  • Fair enough… for most people. I, too, listen to comedy albums many times. I see it VERY much like music. You only really appreciate the subtlties and quirks of a performance if you study it.

    Yes, I know how pretentious that sounds! But that is how a nerd brain works, I guess.

    …that sounded even more pretentious…. shit.

  • Was anyone else struck by how unenthusiastic Derek DelGaudio seemed? I mean, NPH isn’t even a professional magician and it was left to him to actually show love for what the two performers of the art are doing. Helder Guimarães showed a bit more life and had some great, well-placed jokes, and English isn’t even his first language. If DelGaudio’s attitude is indicative of the tone of his show, color me uninterested.

  • Yeah, that could be anything. Nerves, shyness, a hangover, a shitty day, finding out that back in your hometown your mother is banging the dude that bullied you in high school when you were a freshman and he was a senior… y’know, anything at all.

  • I feel leftout. I use the Podcasts app on my ipod to listen to podcasts and this one disappeared and wont come back :-( I guess I’ll have to find alternate means to listen to it.

  • Hello – I was listening to your recent episode with NPH and the two magicians DelGaudio and Guimaraes. I would like to suggest the New World Theater as maybe a venue for their show, if they chose to bring it to NYC. [PLEASE PLEASE bring the show to NYC!] I’m not affiliated with the theater but I went there to see Avenue Q and Naked Boys Singing. Each stage held about 150 people when I saw the shows and thought it would be perfect for a magic show. Magic shows, good or bad, are lacking in this great city. Just thought how awesome it would be if they brought back the gift of wonder to this city of cynics. Thanks! [Please excuse my first post on the main website – new to this website and didn’t know i could leave mesages on each episodes page.]

  • @RobertWood that happened to me too.
    What you can do is the following:
    1) open podcast app
    2) go to store
    3) search for Nerdist
    4) click on the down arrow for the missing episode
    5) once the episode finishes downloading the episode will be magically be in your library under the Nerdist podcast.
    6) Enjoy Your Burrito! :-)

  • Ok, so I finished listening to this podcast last Thursday and on Friday bought tickets to see Nothing to Hide at the Geffen. Saw it yesterday (Sun, March 3). Mind totally blown. I’ve been to the Magic Castle and didn’t see anybody as talented as these guys. I actually got picked for one of their signature effects (with the Eng Box). Amazing! I have never actually spontaneously spent $90 bucks based on the word of a podcast before, but you convinced me Chris! Great interview. And man oh man was that an amazing show. People who are interested can catch some of Helder’s stuff online. The wordlessness is very similar to what happens in a lot of the show, especially the opening act. Very meditative and beautiful. Loved!!!

  • one thing that NPH is clearly wrong about, is Derek delgaudio, although talented is very very arrogant and pompous, have met him on several occasions. he isnt approachable, and very very arrogant. for a guy that does “card tricks” its a bit much.