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GOLDFINGER with Alie and…

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James Bonding #005: GOLDFINGER with Alie and Georgia

Alie and Georgia come on the podcast to talk about the controversy they found in Goldfinger!

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  • I’m not even fussed by the fact that it’s two Women (if it was two guys constantly talking over the top of each other, I would have switched off just as quickly) – but by starting off their description by saying that their Feminism “died a little inside” from watching the film, and within a few minutes are characterizing the Belly Dancer in the intro “Tit Shaking”, and then 20 minutes later are criticizing a Female character’s clothing as making her look ugly don’t exactly scream “Female Solidarity” to me.

  • Hello,
    Me again, i had not read the previous comments before i left mine. I just did and i am a little surprised.
    This is the first time i have listened to James Bonding. I really enjoyed it and based on this episode, will definitely listen to all of them.
    I know that most will not be like this and will be fans of the movies talking about them. This was 4 very intellegent funny people having a good spirited conversation. I think hearing the opinion of new Bond fans to an old Bond film really interesting. Although love the bond films i can’t actually say their points are not correct. They were very funny and not 100% serious.
    Georgia’s coment about “swimming the whole way underwater” rather than wear the seagull made me laugh out loud ont he train this morning. I am trying to keep theior gender out of it but i did love hearing two intellegent funny modern women talking about the views and ways of the past. I knew all this anyway and it won’t change my enjoyment of Bond.
    I am off now to download the other episodes of JamesBonding and subscribe. Great episode, Mat and Mat were great and handled it perfectly.

  • I love Bond grew up with Bond and love them despite their shortfalls.
    This podcast was fantastic, A+G were hilarious. also spot on about what they were saying. Of course someone who has never seen a Bond before would be shocked by all this. As fans you sort of ignore these things and put them to the edge of your gaze and don’t think abou them, it’s how you can continue to love them. But every now and again you need to be reminded that the King is nude.
    Ward and Hardstark were the perfect foil to all this. Made for a fantastic Podcast. Loved it.

  • Hey, this is my first time listening to James Bonding and it won’t be my last.
    I really enjoy Matt from The Nerdist podcast and it seemed like a cool concept to go into deep discussions on the Bond films.
    Of course, I will also acknowledge that the two guests on this episode sucked the joy right out of this podcast.
    Yeah, I get all the sexism but really, by their own admission, these gals tuned out immediately on the film. It seemed their feminist agenda would not allow them to appreciate one molecule of the movie.
    And that’s ok, but it made for a fairly boring conversation. I wasn’t all that interested in hearing about their drinking habits.
    Matt and Matt, please try to book guests that don’t overload you with cynicism.
    I’ll give it another try just the same.

  • Oh my god, I love this podcast but never have these bitches on again. Was looking forward to Matt & Matt’s commentary on one of my favorite Bond movies instead I get two feminist idiots ruining the entire thing. Notice how they say “that’s how it was in those days” when Matt mentions the white folks who played asian and hispanic roles, but then go apeshit over every little “woman hating” thing. Sorry. That’ s how it was in those days :)

  • I love the podcast but this was a tough one to listen to. I was hoping for more discussion of the film and less about how I’m a horrible person for watching Bond movies.

    Goldfinger is one of my favorite Bond movies– I’m disappointed that Matt and Matt almost certainly had a lot of interesting information to share about the production, and now we’ll never hear it.

    Also, saying the Barbara Broccoli is attractive is NOT the same as saying that Steven Spielberg has great balls. It’s the same as saying Jon Hamm is attractive, which happens all the time. Sheesh.

    Thanks for the podcast. Looking forward to Casino Royale.

  • As a huge James Bond and a faithful follower of this podcast, I was extremely disappointed with this episode…. bad episode to choose to have two feminists on. Honestly these two girls have no business commentating on this film series…. it’s like they are looking through a constant filter of feminism, and looking at the world through any filter (whether it be race, sex, or religion) is a good way to keep yourself blinded.

    Matt and Matt should have stuck up for Bond!

    Looking forward to the next episode, Casino Royale!

  • It was a good experiment but a lot of Goldfinger got missed because of the overall discussion. Maybe have an extra episode when you’re done with all the films called The Podcast is Not Enough and go over the bits and bites you didn’t get a chance to cover.

  • this was a fun podcast but I do think that some of the people involved were looking for things to pick on and missed some subtle things:

    In that cold open the guy with the club and the girl were working together. I thought that’s what Bond meant by that last “Positively Shocking,” clearly looking at the girl on the ground.

    Bond absolutely did mourn Jill, he seems pretty broken up about it and in the next seen, the very next seen is all about M trying to convince him not to go and outright kill Goldfinger.

    I do kinda like how his plan is basically just be a dick to Goldfinger and then see what happens.

    I think these girls would have liked Thunderball a lot more.

    And no I never did make the connection with Gold and Goldfinger’s first name.

  • It’s not there isn’t a place for an episode discussing feminism and chauvinism in relation to James Bond movies. It’s just that Episode 5 (let alone the Goldfinger episode…which is one of my favorite movies) is hardly the place to do this.

    Were they to do an episode on that, I’d hope they’d have people who have more insight to offer than Ally and Georgia, who said, pretty much out the gate that they hated the film series and didn’t care about the movie they were watching. That translates to confirmation bias and lazy analysis. Even if they didn’t, basically, call out the audience multiple times in the episode (which they did), this made me not give them much weight from the outset.

    It’s like listening to a brand new NFL podcast that talks about the league and the games and this week’s episode is a mom who hates football because of the concussions it causes and she thinks it is dangerous. It’s not that she doesn’t have a point, though it’s kind of a ‘duh’ point. It’s not that she’s not doing it honestly. It’s that that kind of guest is a real buzzkill, that particular show isn’t the best forum for that and, frankly, I’m not hearing anything I don’t already know.

    People running into people full speed and head first is going to cause a concussion. James Bond is a chauvinist and the films reflect a mentality of an era.

    Those who enjoyed that episode are welcome to it, but on that podcast and on this message board, I see more heat than light.

    Thanks for the free show. Hope the next one is nothing like this one.

  • Forgot something:
    Even though I liked the episode I feel like most of it was spent discussing Bond as a whole, not so much the movie. Perhaps when we get to the end of the list we can get a true discussion about Goldfinger.

  • When I saw the comments for this episode i debated just skipping it and waiting till next week. However, having decided to listen to it I did not seem to hate it nearly as much as everyone else. Usually feminism talk in a podcast I’m using to try and ignore real life is annoying. But even with the bashing that the ladies did I still greatly enjoyed the episode. I would even be interested to hear there opinion on some of the more modern movies. Great work all the way around guys, can’t wait for next weeks episode.

  • Wow, such negativity in these here comments…Here I go…kidding but not really:
    First off I thought this was a good episode in terms of having different viewpoints and having your guests hate the movie. Love or hate or indifferent, having guests are what makes this podcast great and interesting. The guests were putt off from the very first scene of the movie and that’s completely understandable. The sexism in this film and the amount of it was outrageous. But I agree that the constant harking back to and complaining was a bit too much. Yeah, talk about how a scene was sexist, outrageous or exploitive, but be able to move on…until the next sexist, misogynist thing. I just think they just kept ragging on certain scenes TOO much. There were plenty of opportunities in the film to express outrage or disbelief. I agreed with them alot but they couldn’t pick their battles or make them funny or have something to say, not just point out the obvious.

    But my ultimate complaint is the Matt Mira’s thought process in this episode: Umm, haven’t you been listening the conversation? After all the sexism talk, you bring up the fact that whole thing about how Barbara Broccoli is “hot…super attractive”? How did you really think that would go over with A & G? (women who haven’t listened to this podcast before or hear you gush?).

    ALSO, Yes! you wouldn’t be offended if a woman said she liked an actor or was impressed by a man because he had a great pair of balls. You haven’t been objectified or judged because of your gender, or inundated with sexism and sexist media or the pervasive nature of
    such misogyny in our culture.

    It all came together near the end folks. The fact that nobody seems to have caught that is quite funny…sad and funny…

  • Everybodys so mad, mad, mad, mad. I don’t care if these women didn’t like the movie… and their opinions don’t make them terrible people. It’s Bond, it is nothing to get upset about. Love the show Matts please keep em coming.

  • I am a devout fan of the podcast, a devout fan of Matt & Matt, a fan of Bond, and a fan of women’s issues bcz hey I am one. I liked that all of these things were combined in this episode. I liked being made to think about the movie as it exists in the world, and I liked that it got real, AND i liked that it still made me laugh til I cried in a lot of places. Matt & Matt were able to take it all on board in a classy way, and I am glad that we can have episodes like this. Thanks guys!

  • @ St. M – If they had a point, I switched off long before they got to it (and I still gave it at least a half hour).

    By that point, the podcast had been hijacked by Alie & Georgia, and had gone so far off topic that it was actually just irritating to listen to, so I switched over to the Nerdist Tenacious D podcast which I’d gotten at the same time.

    I may (at some point) go back and listen to the rest of this one, but unless there was a drastic tonal shift during the last 2/3, I’m pretty sure I’m not likely to change my mind on it…

  • I loved this episode. It was great to hear the perspective of thoughtful, critically astute women who brought fresh, contemporary eyes to the film. A&G did a marvelous job going a little deeper into the misogyny that permeates the Bond series while also making me laugh.

    Their explication of how making Pussy Galore a lesbian isn’t empowering but rather dis-empowering was a revelation (sounds like it M&M had their minds blown a bit too). Also loved the bit where they neatly showed how Mad Men handles the “hey, it was OK at the time” treatment of women by showing the consequences of those entrenched cultural attitudes. Marvelous.

    It’s not surprising to me that some posters here are peeved that A&G made such a strong case, after all it can be disconcerting to have assumptions/expectations questioned. What’s surprising to me though is that there has been barely any attempt to address their actual points. What’s been said boils down to name-calling and slags against the idea of women even speaking. Eeesh.

  • Love the podcast, and will continue to listen. Having said that, maybe from now on we can stick with people who actually “get” Bond. Yeah, James Bond is misogynist, and yeah, we can point that out in the context of breaking down the whole movie. But to basically center the whole episode around that fact? I don’t think that’s what this podcast was intended to do (if I’m wrong, feel free to ignore me). It would be awesome if we could get a recut of this episode with just you guys going through the movie, because it’s one of the all-time great Bond films, and it deserves proper treatment.

  • This is my favorite podcast on the site, but this episode is just terrible. Why have 2 women that hate the movies come on? But I guess they did a good job……for a couple of brauds.

  • Completely agree with others sentiment that this was a terrible episode. Had to turn it off after 30 minutes, and yes that is completely enough time to get a understand which direction this was podcast was heading.

    Both Matts could barely keep the show on track without the other two using very simplistic, juvenile, and illogical arguments for a movie that was made in the 1960’s.

    I love the show and will continue to listen next week in hopes there are genuine intelligent individuals that realize this is a Bond ‘movie’ review podcast.

  • I’ll be back for the next podcast, as I’m a big Bond fan. I have to admit this one was a major chore getting through this one. While Goldfinger is universally acclaimed, it’s my least favorite. Let’s keep these podcast positive or at least have guests on that have an inkling about the world of Bond or at least seen a film or 5.

    I like Alie and Georgia, but they weren’t the ideal guests for this podcast. For two ladies that dress retro and create drinks that are retro, they’re not the thinking retro or actually know anything of the era.

    This was a bitter audio martini to take in.

    Until Casino Royale….

    -R

    -R

  • I find it interesting that most of the negative responses have been from people who admitted to not listening to the whole thing and, therefore, can’t speak to the actual content for most of the show.

    And I think Jimbo’s remarks encapsulate the inarticulate way in which some people choose to rage against a topic they don’t agree with, without providing any support for their argument. Using loaded terms like “east coast liberal arts college” and “naive, angry little hipster girls” are simply ways for a person who can’t support their opinion with actual facts or coherent points tries to ‘win’ by degrading the other person.

    And how nice, that a person who seems to think that they have a monopoly on how “the real world” works also seems to believe that the situation could have been fixed if Matt or Matt “knew what do to with” vaginas. It is not difficult to imagine why someone who believes that would be offended by women who did not agree with his opinion. And the invocation of Eastwood some kind of a sage adds to the picture.

    He was right, however, that Matt and Matt don’t need to apologize for their show. They clearly made a choice during the taping that the guests had interesting insight and chose not to steamroll them by insisting that it was OK to portray those things because it happened decades ago. No apology necessary.

    There was one good takeaway from “Jimbo’s” comment. I’m going to start using the phrase “power vaginas” in my daily life now. So, thanks.

  • This episode of the podcast encapsulates exactly the phenomenon Clint Eastwood refers so as the “pussification of the American male”. Those naive, angry little hipster girls steamrolled Matt and Matt using nothing more than second-year, east coast liberal arts college crap that doesn’t float in the real world, and the power vaginas have around younger males not well-versed enough in what to do with them. Sad.

    I cringed through maybe 15 minutes before I had to turn off. Matt and Matt: Watch some Letterman highlights to learn a host handles difficult guests. It’s your show. You made it because you like Bond flicks. Don’t apologize for that to anyone.

  • After rolling home at 1am and needing to unwind, I fire up this episode anticipating much goodness because, come on, Goldfinger. If only I had known beforehand about what was about to occur. Pointing out anachronisms is one thing, but going into full-on attack mode is another. It was like listening to an entire week of the relentless outrage of Salon.com condensed into one hour of undiluted vitriol aimed at Bond. For the rest of the series I cannot imagine any future guests approaching this level of being so aggressively unlikable.

  • Nerdist comment sections always seem to turn into FoxNews for nerds. Everyone pats each other on the back for having the same dork opinion and attacks others who don’t agree.
    I really enjoyed them on the podcast. It did feel like Matt had trouble maintaining control and staying focused on his notes/movie. It did get sidetracked more than usual.

  • As a woman, I found the “outraged for the sake of being outraged/naive/judgmental/clueless” bit they were doing MUCH more offensive than anything happening in the Bond movies… Definitely love these podcasts though – keep up the Bonding!

  • 1) I enjoyed the non-pandering aspect of this episode. Having 2 unabashed fans and 2 people who could not be less into it was a nice contrast. (But I have enjoyed the other episodes too.)

    2) Crap yeah, vodka/cranberry.

    Thanks Matt and Matt!

  • Switched off at 49mins. (Although I’d been tempted to do so long before.)
    2nd ever podcast from Nerdist Industries that I’ve not gotten the whole way through.

    As always with any negative posting i’ll end with:-
    “Thank you for this free thing that I am now complaining about”

    I’ll be back next week.

  • .
    These two birds need a jolly good rogering,
    a pat on the behind,
    and to be sent off with a list of groceries for them to purchase before making my dinner.

    -007.

    (#sarcasm! #kidding!)

  • Seriously we all get it – Bond’s a misogynist. Your guest are so much above that. Guess what this is a podcast about James Bond where the people listening enjoy the movies.

    Get over it.

  • Wow, it turns out listening to two feminists commentary on a Bond film was more annoying than funny. Who would have thought? It was like listening to Spike Lee complain about a blackface movie for two hours. E get it– it’s sexist; it was also made in the sixties. I’m the iconic words of Comic Book Guy: Worst. Episode. Ever! (Please get better guests from now on).

  • No one is really going to argue with Allie’s opinion- I mean she’s right
    except that she’s not.
    No one goes into a Looney Tunes Yosemite Sam cartoon and uses it as a platform for gun control.
    Again- James Bond is Sexist-
    Also- Water is wet and gravity keeps things on the table.
    It just wasn’t the point of this podcast- in my opinion
    And as many others have said- just a downer.
    Acknowledging that fact and moving on to examine the other aspects of the film= Great.
    Hammering it home over and over- No thanks.

    I too had to turn it off.

    Here’s hoping the next episode is more light hearted in keeping
    with this show and the films.

    *Please note: I am rubber you a re glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

  • This is my first time here and I haven’t listened to the podcast, seeing as how negative the comments are, but I’m a huge Bond fan and look forward to listening to the other podcasts (and even probably this one too, just to make my own opinion)…
    But the problem here is obvious from the comments, so here’s a question: who the f… complains about misogyny in Bond movies??? ALL Bond movies are misogynyst. They’ve always been, in all 25 movies, in the last 50 years… Hell, the mere fact that there’s a new Bond girl in every movie should clue you on that. The guy even said “the bitch is dead” about the one woman he’s ever truly loved, for f…’s sake! It’s part of the character. Expecting Bond to respect women is like expecting John McClane to be a wimp or Sherlock Holmes to be a moron.

  • Matt/Matt,
    Disappointed. This is my favorite Bond film and I was really looking forward to an insightful discussion. Instead It was basically like listening to 2 diabetics be judges on “cupcake wars”. Real shame

  • I loved this episode, and hope Alie and Georgia come back to rag on another Bond movie just to upset the whiny children who can’t tolerate an actual varying opinion on something they like.

    I also like how they predicted the whinging from the internet halfway through the episode. Keep it up, Matt/Matt.

  • Love this podcast but was really disappointed by this episode – I’ll freely admit I stopped listening at about a 1/2 hour in.

    The constant (CONSTANT) Hipster commentary on anything but the movie from the guests destroyed what I thought the vibe of the show was supposed to be and instead turned into some kind of one sided shouting fest on how everything that has ever existed is somehow demeaning to women.

    I’ll absolutely be back for the next episode, but I can’t see myself ever listening to the rest of this one.

  • I made it through about 45-50 minutes, but it was too much. I guess I don’t see the point in having two people on who hate the topic matter so much that they offer little more than lazy and disinterested analysis. Beyond that, they seemed more interested in combatting the audience.

  • Matt and Matt, are you guys not aware that there are white, blue eyed people in Latin America? A blue eyed Mexican is quite possible, and it’s pretty racist to laugh about the impossibility of it.

  • Some weeks it might be best not to have any guest. This is one issue I have with Nerdist channel podcasts in general, they seem to think that there always needs to be a guest. The best other podcasts i listen to (Bugle, Firewall/Iceberg, Hollywood Prospectus etc) rarely have guests.

    There’s nothing wrong with just some Mira/Gourley chat for 90 minutes.

  • I don’t think it’s too late to do a mash up… “The Man With the Golden Finger” Please let me know if you can get in touch with Barbara Broccoli to get this ball rolling….

  • I enjoyed the start of this podcast and the different point of view of your guests this episode but it went so off topic about half way through and never returned to the film.