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GOLDFINGER with Alie and…

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James Bonding #005: GOLDFINGER with Alie and Georgia

Alie and Georgia come on the podcast to talk about the controversy they found in Goldfinger!

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188 comments

  • Hi Carl! I disagree with everything you said! Except the part about “white knighting” (is that really a thing?). I desperately want my anonymous internet alter-ego to seem a like a great guy. In the real world, I wander the streets at night beating minorities with a stick.

    “don’t take it personally” was an interesting, unexpected response. I’m a straight white male, I don’t see how any of this could be personal.

  • It wasn’t just that, Pickle. Those girls were beyond obnoxious. They had a problem with the GPS. They had a problem with the belly-dancing. They had a problem with men who like James Bond and said it indicated a character flaw. Then the Matts groveled to them.

    And yeah – the time period makes the sexism perfectly okay. Films are snapshots of the cultural zeitgeist and emerging technology of the times in which they were released. That is the lens through which to view them. Grow up, and don’t take it personally. If a man said “man talk, button it and make me a coffee” to a woman in an office today, he’d be rightfully fired and the company sued. Times have changed for the better, but to castigate a film from the 60s according to today’s equality standards is absurd.

    Also: Stop white knighting. It’s painfully transparent.

  • I think this episode would have been a very interesting bonus episode discussing the themes presented here, as is I was really dissapointed with this as the Goldfinger episode. As you mentioned it is one of the most popular Bond movies but you guys said you weren’t crazy about it and I really wish you could have gone into details as to why instead of discussing broad sexist Bond themes, which again is a great topic for a heady discussion; but it comes out of left field when the last 4 episodes have been so fun and light. I am really glad you talked about the ridiculous gangsters though, easily my favorite part of the movie.

  • So… I actually liked this episode. It had just as many jokes and fun tangents as the other episodes. I don’t see why everyone is so pissed that the insane sexism bothered two women who didn’t have any love or nostalgia for the series. And I will never understand why “It was a different time!” magically makes things all better. Yes, it was a different time, but that doesn’t make it any less awful 50 years later. People should have known better, and a lot of them did. Look at the other big movies from the early 60s. Most of them don’t have nearly this much offensive bullshit. Except Breakfast at Tiffany’s, of course.

    In other words, fuck off, internet.

    PS: I’ve been a huge Bond fan for most of my life, and Goldfinger was my favorite for a long time.

  • Came to see comments from white knights like Dan coming out of the woodwork to defend an embarrassingly bad podcast that had the hosts cowering and apologizing for liking something they built a podcast around, was not disappointed.

    Hey Dan: I’m sure Alie and Georgia are desperately trying to contact you. Just wait for it. Any minute now…

  • Great guests and the best podcast since Tompkins. I’d never heard of these two before but the conversation was great.

    Except for moments where Gourley seemed ready to throw Bond under the bus to impress the girls like a teenage boy throwing his model airplane in the trash when his crush comes over.

    Just kidding it was all good. Doing a couple of mst3k type shows with these two seems like a great idea but you might need to be mentally prepared to chuck it out and do a regular podcast if it doesn’t work out well.

  • Came for shitty comments whining about women being allowed to voice dissenting opinions, was not disappointed.

    (Good episode, Messrs. Mira and Gourley. Carry on.)

  • I’m not sure how something can be considered refreshing or not if it’s completely joyless. This episode felt like something the four of you should have done away from microphones.

  • Or Bastien, you can lay off the name calling and take your overly self-righteous comments elsewhere. If you’re THAT quick to call people misogynists or rape apologists, AND you’re a fan of Bond movies…aren’t you treading into awfully hypocritical water?

  • But Bastien, why even listen to this podcast, then? It’s in the description of the show that this is a podcast done by comedians who are fans of James Bond. All the shows so far have been light-hearted and have celebrated the movies, and the jokes/criticism came from a place of appreciation. This was the first episode where the guests openly hated the concept of the character. How does not liking that fact makes the people that were put off by the overall negative tone of the characters as being rape apologists or misogynists?

  • Hey Matt Mira. It’s your podcast and rock it how you like. May I make a suggestion and do a mulligan episode. I’m hoping Gil (Mutant Season) hasn’t seen it. And you could bring him in for a PG-Bonding ep.

  • I get that Bond is not for everyone. And I get that the majority of things said on this episode are accurate for the time and place of the film.
    However, I must agree with several of the comments. This episode was the worst. Bond is escapist fantasy made with tongue firmly in cheek. It does not pretend to be anything more than that.
    I did not find any of the commentary by the guests to be relevant to the episode to be discussed.Which was disappointing. I like both of your guests and thought they would be a lot of fun. They weren’t. I did not realize that a simple fluff movie could be that horrible to watch. Or that I might be a sexist pig for enjoying it.
    What I found more disappointing was how often the Matts apologized for making them watch the episode, and for Bond overall.
    WTF guys! Why are you apologizing for a character you love.. So much so that you have a podcast based on it. A podcast I might add I have really enjoyed until now.
    I am very disappointed. I hope the next one is better.

  • (in case it wasn’t obvious enough in my previous comment, the world doesn’t revolve around whether or not you’re having fun. Sometimes it revolves around whether or not people are capable of being decent human beings.)

  • I have enjoyed the past episodes, but please have some people on who know James Bond and also like James Bond. I got about 15 minutes in to this one before I couldn’t take it anymore. I don’t want to listen to people complain about the movies. Isn’t this podcast about celebrating our love of the series?

  • “Because talking about the inherent misogyny and sexism present in something I like isn’t fun, you shouldn’t talk about it.”

    –sexism and misogyny apologists.

    Which is like saying rape jokes are made for people who want to have fun, so just let them tell their rape jokes and stop being such “downers” by pointing out that they’re rape apologists.

  • As an avid maker of this podcast, I enjoyed this episode. I found it refreshing to hear thoughts on this movie from people that haven’t seen the movie. It’s the most talked about James Bond movie on the planet. Everyone has said everything about it already. A fresh point of view was great in my mind.

  • As a huge Bond fan, I’ve really enjoyed this podcast up until this episode. That being said, do we really need a killjoy to hate on the movies? Aren’t we here to talk about these movies because we love them? I understand the idea of a devil’s advocate and yes I am WELL aware of the misogyny present, especially in the early films(which reflects the era it was made in) but I have a hard time believing people who tuned in to the podcast want to hear how much their favorite films suck by non-fans. I’m not saying that the sexist and racist elements present in the older films were ever OK, but at some point you have to look at the evolution and understand that those were(and still are to a hopefully lesser degree) problems in society, NOT just in Bond movies. To not acknowledge that means we should just throw all our old Bond movies away, and that’s the last thing I’ll ever do.
    So…can we try and make this a bit more fun again?

    Cheers

  • Every episode that goes by, the guests know less and less about James Bond, now to the point where they know nothing and it is hurting the enjoyment of the podcast badly.

  • I love this podcast and all things Bond. This episode was such a downer that I stopped in less than half way in. We are here to celebrate something we love, if I wanted negativity I would go read the comments section.

  • Although I understand their points about the obvious misogyny in James Bond, this episode was so uncomfortable to listen to…

    I think there’s a place for that sort of critical analysis, but in a fun podcast like yours (by and for Bond fans) after a while it made me feel like an asshole for even liking the character and the movies.

  • I’m new to James Bond and started watching them because of this show and I’ve really missed out. From Russia With Love is so far my favorite. Goldfinger is fine though I agree with Alie and Georgia that it’s horribly sexist.